Scott (@Scott_CEOofSUH) and Mariano (@mariannoo) are back for another season of Chicago Bulls basketball! This episode they welcome Hoops N Brews co-host Pavy (@Pavyworld) on media day for an early preview of the 2018-19 squad.
Scott (@Scott_CEOofSUH) and Mariano (@mariannoo) are back for another season of Chicago Bulls basketball! This episode they welcome Hoops N Brews co-host Pavy (@Pavyworld) on media day for an early preview of the 2018-19 squad.
The Chicago Bulls have made some good moves recently to bring in young talent and draft picks for this upcoming season. The plan seems to be coming clearer that we will be bringing in players that fit Fred Hoiberg’s system. The Chicago Bulls have not been a franchise to make a huge splash during the NBA free agency period. The most notable free agents we’ve signed this decade were Carlos Boozer and a declining Pau Gasol. The Bulls spent most of Derrick Rose’s healthy career trying to pair him with a backcourt mate and out of desperation brought in Rip Hamilton. I personally will never understand how as an organization, we believed bringing in Carlos Boozer was the move to help get us over the hill.
The chemistry between Kris Dunn and Zach LaVine has not been there since LaVine returned from his ACL injury. Kris Dunn has been the better player of the two and it’s not even close. I believe the cause of this subpar play from Zach LaVine is rusty from coming off injury and not being able to be acclimated into Fred Hoiberg’s system. I am hopeful that Zach LaVine is retained and able to learn from a healthy offseason in Fred Hoiberg’s system. He needs to learn how to co-exist with Kris Dunn. These two gelling is of the most important because it’ll determine where the team goes in the next couple of off-seasons.
The moves that happen this offseason can shape which direction this team is heading in the next couple of years. It’s very important that we hit in the draft but also add some talent in free agency. There are some guys that can be brought in to help in a position that isn’t addressed in the draft.
We know that center and small forward are positions of need. We need viable pieces that fit with our young talent added on. I like the idea of trying to throw money at DeMarcus Cousins to be our starting center. I think he would be a good piece because he’s not a ball dominant player. Kris Dunn can control the ball and have a hell of a frontcourt in Lauri Markkanen and Cousins. He’s shown he can co-exist with Anthony Davis in New Orleans. Having good young players gives you a better chance of reeling in free agent talent, and the Chicago Bulls have some nice pieces in place.
Jabari Parker would be a good player to add to the small forward room. He’s an athletic and long player who runs the floor pretty well. I think it’s enticing to him because he is from Chicago so bring him home. If we go Center in the 2018 NBA draft this move makes a lot of sense.
I am hoping that we are able to secure a top 5 draft pick and it’s looking like management it’s trying to trend towards this as well. Benching Dunn, LaVine, and Markkanen makes it clear the goal in mind. If we get one of the big men in this draft then the idea for Cousins becomes illogical. The rest of March is critical to see how this offseason will go.
Hello Bulls fans,
We have enjoyed the growth and development of young players this whole season despite being hurt that Jimmy Butler was traded to the Timberwolves. When Jimmy Butler was here he was unquestionably the number one option on offense. Dwyane Wade even said that he would defer to Jimmy Butler, rightfully so because he was the best player on the team with the most longevity. With the implementation of all young new players there is no established “top dog” for the other players to differ to. In order for a team to have sustained success in the long run there must be a player that others differ to in crunch time. If you need a bucket then you go to this guy to either make a shot or go to the basket.
A lot of fans were under the conception with the trade that Zach LaVine will automatically be the go-to guy for the Chicago Bulls when he got healthy. What we didn’t count on was Lauri Markkanen and Kris Dunn developing into very serviceable starters who are still ascending. Yes the trade that sent Jimmy Butler to the Timberwolves as good for that franchise because they lacked a leader, and these three players being brought in was good for Chicago as well but a leader is still needed. The offense appears all over the place in important situations sometimes because one guy hasn’t stepped up yet.
I am under the believe that because of his aggressive nature and willingness to compete hard on both ends of the floor, I truly believe that Kris Dunn will be the one to force himself into that position. Lauri Markkanen is the player with the highest upside out of the three offensively. Lauri doesn’t have the aggressive personality to demand the basketball or put other players in their place when they make mistakes. Zach LaVine was who we all thought would be the immediate best player in the trade. We knew he would be out until January, but we didn’t count on the emergence of Lauri and Kris. I personally project that Kris Dunn will continue to ascend play wise and as the leader of the Chicago Bulls. The point guard is the ball dominant position of basketball, and you don’t want a guy who isn’t confident handling those duties. Earlier in the season Kris Dunn hit a game winner and the first thing that comes out of his mouth is “F$#% Him!”. I think that was the moment when he put the league on notice.The Chicago Bulls will rise again and it will be sooner than a lot of people think. Empires don’t rise without a great leader to lead the charge. The next couple weeks will be telling if Kris Dunn is in fact the alpha of this young Chicago Bulls roster.
This Week on The Third Pick @Scott_CEOofSUH & @Mariannoo talk about Zach LaVine & Kris Dunn playing the "who's the leader" game, Zach LaVine's ceiling, Adam Silver trying to stop the tank & we talk about a hypothetical situation in where Paul George joins the Bulls, plus much more
Hello Bulls fans,
The All-Star break is officially over and it’s time to focus back on finishing this season strong. The core of Kris Dunn, Zach LaVine, and Lauri Markkanen are back together after Dunn’s extended absence from a concussion. A lot of people are still aboard the tank express train for this young team but as of now it’s not looking good for a top 5 pick. I’m here to tell you that there are some really talented guys in this draft that can be had even if we aren’t at the top half of the first ten picks.
Since the last time we spoke the Chicago Bulls made the move most of us were hoping for in order to help with the tank this season. A trade with the New Orleans Pelicans was completed to send Nikola Mirotic to NOLA for a package that includes a conditional 2018 first round pick. The conditions on the draft pick is that it’s top 5 protected this season, which means if they somehow end up in the top 5 this draft they keep their pick. As of right now the Pelicans own the 16th pick of the NBA draft and we can all hope for a losing streak on their end. They currently hold the 8th seed in the West and if they miss the playoffs the Bulls will hold two lottery picks.
A lot of us were hoping for Marvin Bagley III, Deandre Ayton, Michael Porter Jr, or Luka Doncic in the 2018 Draft. There are some pretty viable options for us if we don’t magically have a Derrick Rose-esque miracle and we win the lottery with like .8% chance of it happening. The players I like outside of the top guys are Jaren Jackson Jr, Mohamed Bamba, and Mikal Bridges. There is a fourth option but I’ll discuss that option in a little bit.
Jaren Jackson Jr is a 6’10 power forward at Michigan State University. He’s very fluid running the floor and can finish above the rim with ease. There is some untapped athletic potential from him that can be brought out through the NBA training and conditioning he will receive. I’ve seen him guard some centers but he can guard power forwards very efficiently. There’s room to grow offensively that’s for sure, but that’s the reason why he’s not a higher draft selection choice. He has a quick first step and a fairly decent amount of post moves. I would be okay if we aren’t top 6 or 7 and select Jaren with our first selection this year.
The center position is a huge need for the Chicago Bulls in this rebuild. Robin Lopez has been a pretty good player for us but it’s time to get younger and more athletic. Lauri Markkanen needs a frontcourt partner to pair up with and unfortunately Deandre Ayton will either go number one or two overall. The second most intriguing big man prospect that has also been trending up all season is Mohamed Bamba out of Texas. Mohamed is very light on his feet, a good defender, and an excellent rebounder. He’s also super athletic with long arms and can get down the court quite efficiently. As of right now he’s averaging 18 points, 11 rebounds, and 3 blocks a game. The two things I’ve found interesting about his game is that he can step out and shoot the 3 and he’s a good free throw shooter as well. The Chicago Bulls would find themselves fortunate to secure a talented ascending young player like Mohamed Bamba to anchor the Center position.
The other position the Bulls need to fill in the starting lineup is small forward. Last summer a lot of us had dreams of Michael Porter Jr. but it’s likely he would be selected before us if we continue this trend of winning games. Enter Mikal Bridges, a junior from Villanova who would come in with winning experience to fill the roster void. Bridges is an excellent 3-point shooter who would immediately fit in this offense and make things much easier for Kris Dunn and Zach LaVine. The part about his game that goes unnoticed is that he’s an excellent perimeter defender. He has the quick feet to stick with guards, the timing and mentality to fight bigger, stronger frontcourt players and the length to smother anyone. Some people believe that because he is 22 years of age he doesn’t have much upside, which I think is silly. This guy would immediately be an upgrade at the small forward position and could help expedite this rebuild.
The last option that would be on the table for the Chicago Bulls is to trade up and grab the guy they feel like is the necessary piece for the franchise. Let’s say the Pelicans miss the playoffs that would give us the draft capital to move up in the lottery. Some of the general managers from the other teams would be willing to trade a lottery pick for two-lottery picks right? This is just a scenario that can happen if there is conviction about a certain player that can come in and immediately make an impact for the franchise.
Hello Bulls fans,
It’s been an interesting year for our beloved Chicago Bulls to say the least. A lot of people believed this team wouldn’t win more than 20 games this season once they traded Jimmy Butler. The move signified the franchise was moving in the direction of a long and tedious rebuild. If this is the case, then how does a team in year one of a rebuild have a better record than the Lakers - a team in year 4 of their rebuild?
After the summer 2016 trade of Derrick Rose to the NY Knicks, the assumption was the Bulls were in rebuild mode. The moves that followed - signing Rajon Rondo, and then Dwyane Wade - was a little confusing to the Bulls fan base. The idea was that the three "alphas" in Butler, Rondo and Wade would make the Bulls a playoff team and surprise contender.
But Fred Hoiberg was way over his head and didn’t have the players necessary to run his offensive system, or that respected him as a head coach. Taj Gibson and Jimmy Butler were both used to Tom Thibodeau's system. Rondo and Wade both won championships so they had little to no respect for a young head coach like Hoiberg. The product on the court showed that these players were not willing to buy in on what was being sold from the staff. Hoiberg’s system requires guards that can consistently shoot the three, and he didn’t have that in Rondo and Wade. The 2016-17 Chicago Bulls somehow squeezed into the east playoffs as the 8th seed. The team overachieved and went up 2-0 against the Boston Celtics but proceeded to lose 4 in a row once Rondo went down with an injury.
The following off-season bore the changes that were believed to be necessary the year prior. The Bulls sent Butler and their first round pick to the Minnesota Timberwolves on draft night for Zach LaVine, Kris Dunn and the 7th overall pick in that year's draft, which they used to pick Lauri Markkanen. Bulls fans unfairly criticized Gar Forman and John Paxson for the move, but I personally loved it, and the direction the team should’ve elected to go in a while ago. The Bulls were stuck in the perpetual cycle of not being good enough to win, but not being bad enough to get a top lottery pick. In this instance the patience to make the deal yielded a bigger haul for GarPax. It was believed that draft night 2016 the Bulls were willing to trade Butler to Minnesota for the 5th overall pick to take Dunn to make him the point guard of the future. The patience allowed us to not only bring in Dunn but also Lauri Markkanen who has shown the ability to play at a high level at just 20 years old.
The 2017 Chicago Bulls started off a bit rocky. A skirmish between Nikola Mirotic and Bobby Portis led to Niko being hospitalized and Bobby being suspended by the organization. The silver lining of this event is that it allowed Hoiberg to start Markkanen at power forward to get a good look at the rookie under the lights. Markkanen didn’t disappoint, setting a record for most 3-pointers made in a rookie’s first six games in the NBA. With a quick release and the confidence to shoot without hesitation, Lauri is a lethal weapon in the pick and pop game.
Dunn was thrusted into a starting role because of the inept play of Jerian Grant. The playing time he has received has caused him to not only develop better as an pro point guard, but also allowed him to gain confidence. I knew Dunn took that next step with his confidence when he hit crossed over an Indiana Pacer en route to a game winning shot and yelled out “F#$k him”.
The player considered at the time to be the best player acquired in the trade - Zach Lavine - has yet to step on the floor this season thanks to injury. He's a legit scoring threat and a very good fit for what the Chicago Bulls are missing right now.
This young Bulls roster bought in to Hoiberg’s system and it’s a beautiful thing to watch. It’s quite enjoyable to see cohesive basketball being played with young players who are deemed the future of the franchise. There isn’t much standing around like last year with the older veterans who didn’t feel it necessary to listen to a head coach or play within his scheme. In most instances, veterans don’t respect younger unproven coaches and that was abundantly clear with the previous core. With how they're playing as a unit and also developing, this team is a more enjoyable product than what we were exposed to.
Let’s face it... the Chicago Bulls are too good. Yes I’m aware that’s a weird thing to read but it’s true. Despite the Bulls’ 13-24 record, they’ve won 10 of their last 14 games and have one of the best records in the NBA since Dec. 8.
Our hopes of #SecuringtheBagley or #LosingforLuka have gone down the drain. The Bulls will likely pick between 7 and 14.
But don’t worry Bulls fans - there are a few reasons this may not be a bad thing.
Look, it’s no secret a top 5 pick helps you win an NBA championship. The best player on 11 of the last 15 NBA champions was taken within the first five picks of their respective drafts.
The other four? Steph Curry, the best player for the 2015 Warriors, landed at No. 7 in the 2009 NBA draft. Dirk Nowitzki, the best player on the 2011 Mavericks, was taken with the No. 9 pick in 1998. Kobe Bryant, the best player on the 2009 and 2010 Lakers, went 13th overall to Charlotte in 1996.
See, it’s possible to get a franchise changing player outside of the top 5.
According to a 2018 NBA mock draft by Bleacher Report’s Jonathan Wasserman, he projects the Bulls to take Texas' Mohamed Bamba with the No. 6 pick. At 6’11 - with an 8' wingspan!!! - 225 pounds, the 19-year-old from Harlem is averaging 11.7 PPG, 10.7 rebounds and 4.5 blocks a game in his freshman season.
The latest projection from NBADraft.net has Chicago drafting another emerging freshman in Michigan State’s Jaren Jackson Jr. with the No. 7 pick. Jackson is averaging 10.5 points, 7.1 board and 3.3 blocks per game. He’s also shooting 37 percent from the three-point line while averaging just under three attempts per game.
Both players are long, athletic big men who could fit nicely next to Lauri Markkanen. They're currently the seventh-worst team in the league. But if they keep winning, Bulls fans would be wise to turn their attention to prospects further down mock draft boards.
One of them is Miami freshman guard Lonnie Walker, a 6'4" athletic wing with a 6’101/2” wingspan who could fit right into the uptempo, pace-and-space style head coach Fred Hoiberg wants to play, averaging 8.5 PPG in just 21 minutes a game.
In this video, you’ll see some highlights of Walker’s ability to put the ball on the floor and get to the basket and some of his three-point range.
According to ESPN Insider Jonathan Givony, Walker is projected to be selected with the 15th pick.
The steal of the draft could be Villanova junior forward Mikal Bridges.
Bridges is playing like an All-American for the No. 1 ranked Villanova Wildcats. He’s averaging 17.8 PPG on 52 percent shooting from the field and 45 percent shooting from the three-point line. But it’s his play on the other side of the ball that makes Bridges one of the most complete players in this draft.
Bridges is a 6’7” wing with a 7’11/2” wingspan and he puts all that length to good use. He’s averaging 2 steals per game and 1.5 blocks per game.
Imagine a defensive lineup with Dunn, Nwaba and Bridges - each with the ability to guard multiple positions and give ball handlers problems.
Fortunately for the Bulls, Bridges is 21-years old and will be 22 when the NBA draft comes around in June. His age could turn away some teams who may be looking for a young star - leaving a rebuilding Chicago Bulls with the chance to select a hidden gem in this year's draft.
The thing about winning in a tanking season is the wins usually mean your young players are developing faster than you expected. The Bulls are no different.
Fans are understandably excited about the growth of Lauri Markkanen and Kris Dunn, two of the three pieces in the Jimmy Butler trade. Both players’ performance this season – and the hope budding star Zach LaVine will return to his star form from prior to his ACL tear - have some already naming the Bulls winners of the draft day trade with the Minnesota Timberwolves.
Markkanen is averaging close to 15 PPG and has proven to be a willing rebounder, averaging just over 7 boards on the season.
The Finland native is also showing he is a capable defender, something no one could have predicted when he came out of Arizona. Check out the defense here on New York Knicks star Kristaps Porzingis. (Credit: @_MarcusD2_/NBC Sports Chicago)
Dunn is in the running for the Most Improved Player award. He’s up nine points per game, to 13.2 ppg this year from 3.8 ppg from his rookie season with the Timberwolves.
His shooting has gotten slightly better with increased playing time. According to CleaningTheGlass.com, Dunn is shooting 55 percent at the rim, 40 percent from mid-range and 32 percent from three.
Last year he shot, 50 percent at the rim, 36 percent from midrange and 28 percent from three.
His 2017-2018 shooting numbers show his offensive game still needs work but with more time those numbers could continue to rise.
Dunn has more than doubled his assist numbers as well, averaging six per game as opposed to the 2.4 last season.
Dunn and Markkanen aren’t the only one’s getting better. Young role players like Denzel Valentine and David Nwaba have also improved.
Nwaba can’t really shoot the ball but he’s shown the ability to attack on the catch and push the ball on fast breaks. (Credit/Chicago Bulls Twitter)
In addition, the Bulls get exponentially better with him on defense as opposing teams have a 105.6 offensive rating when he’s on the floor and a 111.4 offensive rating when he’s on the bench.
As for Valentine, for a while he seemed to be nothing more than a floor spacer. However he’s taken major steps forward in his game this season.
Last year, according to NBA.com, 79 percent of Valentine’s threes were assisted. This year, that number is down to 61 percent, meaning he’s taking more pull-up threes.
In addition, Valentine is taking more shots inside the arc, averaging 26.1 percent of his points in the paint (as opposed to 13.7 in 2016-2017) and 12.8 percent of his points on midrange jumpshots (as opposed to 6.2 in 2016-2017).
Even Bobby Portis, who struggled to maintain any consistency last season, has been a positive for the Bulls, averaging nearly 13 PPG on 53 percent shooting and 39 percent from the three-point line over the last 14 games.
There’s a certain sense of pride when your “own guys” help you win a championship. But the draft isn’t the only way to get good players. The Houston Rockets are 26-9 and the only draft pick in their starting lineup is Clint Capela.
The Bulls have loads of cap space and some good players will test their luck in free agency in the next two years. And since they have been winning recently without any all-star talent, they are now a more attractive destination than if they were 5-31 and playing an atrocious brand of basketball.
The 2018 Free Agency class includes names such as Chris Paul, Kevin Durant, LeBron James DeMarcus Cousins and Paul George.
In 2019, the list gets even more interesting with players like restricted free agents Devin Booker and Karl Anthony Towns, and Kyrie Irving.
You read those names and think they are unrealistic for the Bulls. To be fair, their biggest free agent signing in the last 15 years is a 34-year old Pau Gasol.
(Editors note: I find it baffling he disregarded Bulls legend Eddie Robinson like that.)
However, this Bulls team feels different. They are a young team that’s playing basketball the right way with pace, three point shooting and intense defense.
Maybe it’s not so unthinkable that a major star would want to lead a team that seems to be headed in the right direction.
Let’s take a trip back to NBA Draft night, June 22nd, 2017.
The night we saw Lonzo Ball become a Laker just as the prophet LaVar Ball predicted. We saw the Celtics and Sixers swap first round picks just days prior to ensure both teams “get their guy”. We also saw the end of an era in Chicago with Jimmy Butler being dealt to the Timberwolves and reunited with his beloved coach Tom Thibodeau.
Let’s talk about why the Bulls WON this trade.
There comes a point where certain teams have a guy headed towards superstar level while the team is headed nowhere in a hurry - nowhere being a perennial playoff team that doesn’t necessarily belong there. Good enough to make it because their best player could carry the load, sure, but bad enough to be first round exits because they aren’t equipped for the marathon.
Those same wins that land bad teams in the playoffs as a 7th or 8th seed ultimately doom them on draft night. They aren’t picking high enough to draft the ‘cream of the crop’, so they’re forced to roll the dice on a prospect. Obviously there are no sure things in sports no matter where you’re drafted, but you need the best available player when you’re thin on talent. Now if you’re a young team like the Sixers or even the Bucks, making the playoffs with no real chance at the title at least gives you hope for what the future holds. When you’re an established team like the Bulls whose playoff seeding is more of a fall from grace than a stepping stone, it’s time to make changes.
In a vacuum, the package of Kris Dunn, Zach LaVine and the 7th overall pick, which would become Lauri Bir-..I mean Markkanen, seems a bit low, right?
Not if you think about this in totality.
Usually once a superstar-level player reaches the last two years of his deal, the vultures start to circle. Other teams know this is the shit or get off the pot moment for your franchise and you’ll either accept whatever they offer or they’ll wait you out. In essence, whatever they offer will be too much on their end.
You’ll NEVER receive equal value for an established superstar. Think about it, a sure thing will always be safer than a ‘maybe’. It’s a results based, hindsight is 20/20, blah blah scenario every time. Ask the Hornets about Vlade and Kobe. However, if the pieces you receive are what’s best for YOUR future, then you’ve won. Think Oladipo/Sabonis for Paul George.
You hold on to that superstar player to avoid “looking” like you got fleeced, then lose him in free agency and remove all doubt that the fleecing occurred.
This deal was on the table a year prior, but the Bulls were still determined to wait and see if the Jimmy Butler experience was worth it all. To see if he would regress, or grow to be the player you could build around or trade while his stock was high to get more pieces. The latter occurred and in a surprising turn of events.....GarPax actually made a good decision. I still can’t believe I typed that...and it’s true.
Kris Dunn, a former top 5 pick in the draft, was never given a fair shake in Minnesota. We all know Thibs doesn’t play rookies, which isn’t a foreign concept by established coaches. When you’re hired to produce right away, it doesn’t behoove you to bet on potential. So, on the surface it looks like “Dunn couldn’t beat out Rubio for the starting job” when in reality it was never his job to actually ‘win’ because he was still learning.
In reality he’s a much better passer, scorer, and all around player than he was given credit for. He’s averaging 13.4 points per game and 6 assists in just 31 games with the Chicago Bulls, up over his 3.8 points and 2.4 assists in 78 games with Minnesota.
Zach LaVine, a former NBA dunk contest champion, is an incredible athlete. Before suffering a torn ACL in February of 2017, he showed tremendous upside and that he wasn’t just a dunker. He’s a career 37.9% shooter from 3 point range and averages 13.7 points per game. Obviously time will tell what kind of player he’ll be once he returns, but by all accounts he’s rehabbing great and should be back to normal soon.
Lauri Markkanen, who I’ve named Lauri Bird, is the most interesting player of the bunch. There was similar reaction to the Bulls drafting Lauri with the 7th pick as there was when the Knicks chose Kristaps Porzingis in 2015: a sea of boos and “who the fuck is this ass hole?” like Samuel L. Jackson in McDowell’s. Whenever you don’t take the flashy, prom king, golden boy of the moment on everyone’s radar you’re going to be met with criticism. Understandably so, because for every Dirk there’s a Darko.
Lauri is special though. He shot the lights out at Arizona and was called the best shooting 7-footer college basketball had ever seen, averaging 15.6PPG and 7.2RPG all while rocking the number 10 like Mike Bibby. In his rookie season so far he’s opened a lot of eyes and gained respect from those who once doubted. Did I mention he’s ONLY 20? (Jay-Z voice at Hot97 with Young Chris). He’s averaging 14.6PPG and 7.4RPG on the pro level, and is showing tremendous potential to be a franchise player.
I had to talk a few fellow Bulls fans off the ledge when this trade went down, and now they’re all on the edge of their seats for this team. The future is bright and we have something that not even GarPax could ru...let me stop there before they ask me to hold their beer and show me.
Bottom line is, I knew we won this trade the night it happened and now the world sees it. Now if they could only stop disrupting this tank so we can draft even higher and secure the Bagley, I’d be even happier...but that’s another story.